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	<title>Comments on: Relationship between the Bass and the logistic market adoption models</title>
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		<title>By: Stig Ottosson</title>
		<link>http://8020world.com/jcmendez/2007/07/business/relationship-between-the-bass-and-the-logistic-market-adoption-models/comment-page-1/#comment-308</link>
		<dc:creator>Stig Ottosson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 11:06:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>S curves are used also for planning of new product development (NPD) activities where the Y-axis gives the achieved performance (P) and the X-axis time (T). When P 100 % has been reached a NPD project is completed. Milestones (on the P-axes) are used to divide the total project in smaller pieces. Larger companies often also use &quot;Gates&quot; on the T-axis to evaluate if a project shall get a Go or Kill decision at the gates to continue into next development stage. However gained milestones are often lost and re-gained and lost again a number of times in real NPD projects if they are allowed to continue until P 100% has been reached. The theoretical linear S curves unfortunately give a falce mindsetting e.g. causing projects to be stopped when there are good possibilities for the future. Similar conclusions can be made for innovation diffusion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>S curves are used also for planning of new product development (NPD) activities where the Y-axis gives the achieved performance (P) and the X-axis time (T). When P 100 % has been reached a NPD project is completed. Milestones (on the P-axes) are used to divide the total project in smaller pieces. Larger companies often also use &#8220;Gates&#8221; on the T-axis to evaluate if a project shall get a Go or Kill decision at the gates to continue into next development stage. However gained milestones are often lost and re-gained and lost again a number of times in real NPD projects if they are allowed to continue until P 100% has been reached. The theoretical linear S curves unfortunately give a falce mindsetting e.g. causing projects to be stopped when there are good possibilities for the future. Similar conclusions can be made for innovation diffusion.</p>
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		<title>By: Juan C. Mendez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Juan C. Mendez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 03:22:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@chidinma

Thanks for your message.  In my opinion, modeling is more about the conversations that are generated when you model something than it is about the math of the model itself.  Every model is a simplification of reality and will be, by definition, &quot;wrong&quot; or insufficient if you look at it from certain perspective.  But we simply can&#039;t escape models!  When we as humans understand something, it is simply that we created a mental model about that something.  Therefore, the value of strategic modeling is to have conversations that elicit each of the participant&#039;s mental model about the problem, that make explicit some of the assumptions behind those mental models, and allow the group to have alignment conversations so it becomes a shared mental model.  Once that is achieved, it doesn&#039;t matter if the implementation of the models are scribbles on a blackboard, a Excel spreadsheet or a complex computer program.  You won&#039;t get far if the involved parties don&#039;t trust and understand whatever model is used.  What you and other readers think?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@chidinma</p>
<p>Thanks for your message.  In my opinion, modeling is more about the conversations that are generated when you model something than it is about the math of the model itself.  Every model is a simplification of reality and will be, by definition, &#8220;wrong&#8221; or insufficient if you look at it from certain perspective.  But we simply can&#8217;t escape models!  When we as humans understand something, it is simply that we created a mental model about that something.  Therefore, the value of strategic modeling is to have conversations that elicit each of the participant&#8217;s mental model about the problem, that make explicit some of the assumptions behind those mental models, and allow the group to have alignment conversations so it becomes a shared mental model.  Once that is achieved, it doesn&#8217;t matter if the implementation of the models are scribbles on a blackboard, a Excel spreadsheet or a complex computer program.  You won&#8217;t get far if the involved parties don&#8217;t trust and understand whatever model is used.  What you and other readers think?</p>
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		<title>By: chidinma</title>
		<link>http://8020world.com/jcmendez/2007/07/business/relationship-between-the-bass-and-the-logistic-market-adoption-models/comment-page-1/#comment-294</link>
		<dc:creator>chidinma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 17:36:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Juan,

I have this question that has been bugging my mind for a while now. I&#039;ve read about the pros and cons of strategic modelling. but do you think strategic modelling can make a contribution to management decision making?

Thank you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Juan,</p>
<p>I have this question that has been bugging my mind for a while now. I&#8217;ve read about the pros and cons of strategic modelling. but do you think strategic modelling can make a contribution to management decision making?</p>
<p>Thank you!</p>
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		<title>By: Juan C. Mendez&#8217;s pages &#187; Blog Archive &#187; System dynamics interpretation of the logistic and Bass models</title>
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		<dc:creator>Juan C. Mendez&#8217;s pages &#187; Blog Archive &#187; System dynamics interpretation of the logistic and Bass models</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 20:10:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] it allows you to conceptually link business principles to the equations. I touched on this issue on on a previous entry, and here I will try to explain [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] it allows you to conceptually link business principles to the equations. I touched on this issue on on a previous entry, and here I will try to explain [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Adriano</title>
		<link>http://8020world.com/jcmendez/2007/07/business/relationship-between-the-bass-and-the-logistic-market-adoption-models/comment-page-1/#comment-203</link>
		<dc:creator>Adriano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 17:01:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Juan,

I have found your blog posts re s-curves very informative.

I&#039;m studying technological growth curves at present as part of some postgrad research at university and am interested in the application of such a model in industry.

I have read many of the papers in the Journal of Forecasting etc, and much of it seems quite esoteric and I don&#039;t find it quoted that often by non-academics. Does the Bass model have a place in real world modeling of sales data? 

Are there other models which perhaps I should consider too, which account for the marketing mix variables more directly?

BR,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Juan,</p>
<p>I have found your blog posts re s-curves very informative.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m studying technological growth curves at present as part of some postgrad research at university and am interested in the application of such a model in industry.</p>
<p>I have read many of the papers in the Journal of Forecasting etc, and much of it seems quite esoteric and I don&#8217;t find it quoted that often by non-academics. Does the Bass model have a place in real world modeling of sales data? </p>
<p>Are there other models which perhaps I should consider too, which account for the marketing mix variables more directly?</p>
<p>BR,</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Kitzberger</title>
		<link>http://8020world.com/jcmendez/2007/07/business/relationship-between-the-bass-and-the-logistic-market-adoption-models/comment-page-1/#comment-176</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Kitzberger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 16:58:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Juan.  I&#039;d have to agree that the parameters provided in your model are more intuitive and easier to use as the basis of substantive conversations (vs. the coefficients of innovation [p] and imitation [q] of the Bass model).  The market mix levers of growth can still be discussed without quantifying them in the model.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Juan.  I&#8217;d have to agree that the parameters provided in your model are more intuitive and easier to use as the basis of substantive conversations (vs. the coefficients of innovation [p] and imitation [q] of the Bass model).  The market mix levers of growth can still be discussed without quantifying them in the model.</p>
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